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SWO: Is There a Path to Fix this Defense?

Ohio State Buckeyes fans are still reeling from what still feels like an improbable loss to Oregon last week, a game where the Buckeyes did not even have to face two of the top players on the Ducks roster.

An off-kilter defense, lack of adjustments and just an uneasy feeling took center stage at Ohio Stadium for more than 100-thousand fans as the Buckeyes had opportunities down the stretch to pull this one out and just came up short.

Now it is a difficult post-mortem as the Buckeyes evaluate what went wrong (a lot) and what went right (a little) and some tough decisions will come to center stage as the very real question has to be asked about what is wrong with the Ohio State defense and more importantly, is there a path to fix things or is it a case of “it is what it is”?

Join Kirk Barton, NevadaBuck and special guest Ross Fulton as they examine multiple angles from the most recent game and go over their ideas as to what some possible fixes could be. You are not going to get this kind of information anywhere else, so check it out and share it with a friend.

350zjk

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IF so, it begins by firing Combs. If there was a show of evidence to fire Clay (a head coach) then there is MORE than enough to fire Kerry. It may take some "nads", but Day loses a little more credibility the longer this goes on.
 

BuckeyeFanNorth

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When talking about the the starters and the guys behind them, as Kirk was speaking about and how good or bad they are….lets consider first, that they ALL are top quality athletes…that have all the physical and measurable skills necessary to be there…and i know he is speaking about thier quality of performance…and he spoke of this continual rotation…well, to me that is the biggest part of the answer to,our problem- consider that Coach Coombs continually speaks about playing “depth”, (multiple guys rotating, he is locked in on that),even saying many guys “ deserve to play”…( because they are all so close in skills at this point) and Coach Day has continued to say that we need to play guys , and play “ depth” also….and see how it all “ shakes out”, and that guys will need to solidify positions, so they know we have a lot of inexperienced guys there, that have not had a chance to LEARN HOW to play yet !…and thats the path they are taking to give us the best chance to win in the long run….and that is what we are seeing….so many elementary mistakes, due to the lack of EXPERIENCE.
And so for me, that is the biggest part of this whole thing…we just have SO many inexperienced guys on defense, that havent had a chance to play enough to get it figured out yet, and the constannt rotation isnt helping - YET…but is giving guys a chance to learn and solidify starters, and backups, …they knew this and were telling us this all along….so it should not be a surprise…i believe they believe this can get ironed out in the next four games - a ton…but thats what I believe we are seeing anyways…yes, the schemes are messed up, and simple…but again when you have all this inexperience, you havent those solid guys next to you to cover your mistakes, as we did in the past and it becomes glaring…remember too, thst we were literally one pass from tying this game up, and possibly winning it…and remember too, they had Joe Morehead,… heck that guy is a tremendous coach, knew us well, and has always given us trouble…and Oregon played a really great game, lets face it, so all that said, its just where we are with losing so much really good experienced talent…I do say that we have several experienced guys that have not lived up to expectations, on the D line, at end especially and at nose, some other spots too…that needs to change somehow… and yes i agree there is coaching things that need to be changed, for sure…but to me this is the biggest problem we are facing, and it isnt gonna get better till a lot of these kids get better and learn through experience….we have one heck of a potent offense , and it almost carried us through this tough opponet….but i have confidence that this defensive group can improve enough to help our very potent offense carry us far the rest of this season…case in point, guys like that safety, #17, the kid has wheels and can hit ! but he looked really bad due to i experience….and he will learn just like the rest of them…and be just fine…its just gonna take some time…and im sure the coaches will get it right, too, we have way too much experience and too many very good coaches on that staff to not make the correct adjustments, so have faith and be patient. Its gonna work out in due time. Thats my take and my hope. Thank you.
 

BuckeyeFanNorth

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I really appreciate the expertise and experience you guys have here, and im new to this site.
Kirk was talking about how he knew what Dantonio was gonna do in games…and then began talking about “the rotation” again…as maybe being the problem….and while i get that the constant rotation can mess up getting into the flow of the game….what Kirk was really speaking about is experience !!!… He knew what Dantonio was gonna do because he had played a while…he had played enough games and long enough to learn Dantonios ways…and so that speaks to the MAIN problem again…,all these guys are VERY inexperienced ! Many of them playing in thier first games or first times even on the field !!! think about that- so Kirk is really answering the question , and getting to the whole root of the problem on why we were so bad on defense…by that example right there….and this is why so many of these players made so many mistakes…why there was so much to criticize here….it is really just inexperience….and so i say lets all rest easy on that…nobody ( coaches) needs to be fired….or demoted….and guys are not that bad of players as so many are saying….they are simply inexperienced, and i think we all need to really consider this…..and realize and remember what it is like to play in our first real game, or start the first time..or even the first few times…( example - the new transfer guy did you see him mow his own teammate down on that huge play toward the end of the game ?.? how crazy was that??) so lets all be patient and trust our coaches, our recruits and new guys, and not be too harsh….they are gonna come, they are gonna develop…and grow…its just where we are and its not the talent and all that…yes, some things need to be changed, but this is inexperience and its gonna get better, way better, just like it did for all of us when we played…and just like it did in 2014 as our new O Line was so new and had to grow also… so rest easy everyone…were gonna be there…this VERY offense will carry us through till the D catches up, ( especially when this run game gets foing strong! which it will with Henderson and the boys) and when they do, look out ! Were gonna be a powerhouse again, just like we were before ! Go Ohio State.
 

BuckeyeFanNorth

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I do agree however that in the fourth quarter, yes, we should have stopped the rotation and held with the best guys the remainder of the game…( and maybe a couple other key plays and stretches also)….The Gaotate kid example was perfect evidence of that for sure, as Kirk spoke of, …Totally agree there….that was a really bad deal ….but some rotation was necessary, and still will be for a while, because of our inexperience - is all im saying….till guys get learned enough to prove what they really have.
 

BuckeyeFanNorth

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Sep 13, 2021
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I do agree on the scheme stuff you all spoke of, for sure….its out of joint….and the criticism of Coombs more specifically….and the critisism of the edge rushers we have that I frankly believe have not developed as hoped for all thier experience…and the edge guys missing on runs also without mentioning names….think we need to play some new guys there i think, give them a shot too….
 

BuckeyeFanNorth

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The question about Coombs being Coordinator next season? …Im saying no….move him back to a position coach, yes, and bring in a young guy that is a proven defensive coordinator, even an older guy, but someone thats really good, and that can fit in with this group. This aint the place nor the time to be “cutting teeth.”
 

BuckeyeFanNorth

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Sep 13, 2021
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IF so, it begins by firing Combs. If there was a show of evidence to fire Clay (a head coach) then there is MORE than enough to fire Kerry. It may take some "nads", but Day loses a little more credibility the longer this goes on.
350zjk…not hardly…maybe move him to a position coach next year, or even get him some help this year too, but not fire him…he is a darn good and proven coach and proven excellent recruiter…...and certainly, nobody is losing any so called “ credibility” here. coach Coombs is in a position, just as are many of the defensive players, of having ZERO experience at his position. it too is his first time out, so to speak….no real game experience…i mean its been 3 games man..…yes he needs to make changes, and he will…remember, we have exceptional coaches, exceptionaly gifted and successful coaches on this staff with much experience, all around coach Coombs, and they will get this figured out and help him…..so no, no firings, no demotions and so forth…some help yes. and possibly a change next year, even on that we shall see…so be hopeful guy and use some reasoning here, were gonna be ok.
 

Janno1951

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When talking about the the starters and the guys behind them, as Kirk was speaking about and how good or bad they are….lets consider first, that they ALL are top quality athletes…that have all the physical and measurable skills necessary to be there…and i know he is speaking about thier quality of performance…and he spoke of this continual rotation…well, to me that is the biggest part of the answer to,our problem- consider that Coach Coombs continually speaks about playing “depth”, (multiple guys rotating, he is locked in on that),even saying many guys “ deserve to play”…( because they are all so close in skills at this point) and Coach Day has continued to say that we need to play guys , and play “ depth” also….and see how it all “ shakes out”, and that guys will need to solidify positions, so they know we have a lot of inexperienced guys there, that have not had a chance to LEARN HOW to play yet !…and thats the path they are taking to give us the best chance to win in the long run….and that is what we are seeing….so many elementary mistakes, due to the lack of EXPERIENCE.
And so for me, that is the biggest part of this whole thing…we just have SO many inexperienced guys on defense, that havent had a chance to play enough to get it figured out yet, and the constannt rotation isnt helping - YET…but is giving guys a chance to learn and solidify starters, and backups, …they knew this and were telling us this all along….so it should not be a surprise…i believe they believe this can get ironed out in the next four games - a ton…but thats what I believe we are seeing anyways…yes, the schemes are messed up, and simple…but again when you have all this inexperience, you havent those solid guys next to you to cover your mistakes, as we did in the past and it becomes glaring…remember too, thst we were literally one pass from tying this game up, and possibly winning it…and remember too, they had Joe Morehead,… heck that guy is a tremendous coach, knew us well, and has always given us trouble…and Oregon played a really great game, lets face it, so all that said, its just where we are with losing so much really good experienced talent…I do say that we have several experienced guys that have not lived up to expectations, on the D line, at end especially and at nose, some other spots too…that needs to change somehow… and yes i agree there is coaching things that need to be changed, for sure…but to me this is the biggest problem we are facing, and it isnt gonna get better till a lot of these kids get better and learn through experience….we have one heck of a potent offense , and it almost carried us through this tough opponet….but i have confidence that this defensive group can improve enough to help our very potent offense carry us far the rest of this season…case in point, guys like that safety, #17, the kid has wheels and can hit ! but he looked really bad due to i experience….and he will learn just like the rest of them…and be just fine…its just gonna take some time…and im sure the coaches will get it right, too, we have way too much experience and too many very good coaches on that staff to not make the correct adjustments, so have faith and be patient. Its gonna work out in due time. Thats my take and my hope. Thank you.
Without a doubt the best podcast I've heard. I learned a lot. Thanks Kirk.
 

350zjk

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350zjk…not hardly…maybe move him to a position coach next year, or even get him some help this year too, but not fire him…he is a darn good and proven coach and proven excellent recruiter…...and certainly, nobody is losing any so called “ credibility” here.
Opinions differ, and you might be surprised to know which insiders on three different sites believe Coombs should be fired NOW. Day HAS checked the boxes in just about every area, but ask yourself what you think Nick Saban would do with Coombs after a season, and first two games of the next? If he was worth his salt he would have the ship righted by now. This is big business worth millions Do you think any CEO would tolerate this debacle? I believe he is an above average position coach and an excellent recruiter, but he bit off too much accepting this position, and you can't just demote. Who would you let go today to take his place? We have NO chance of making the CFP with him as DC, and lucky if we make it to the BIG championship.